Yeah, so I think I keep sort of going between sort of… you know you just sort of living in sort of a grey area you know, you’re sort of, you see these people as real people. And I think that’s what sort of ********* me from the very beginning was that, you know, on the surface these are just young, working class kind of guys, kids, whatever. You know they were very young and… I keep having to remind myself of that, but you know, just… local kind of Amsterdam guys, who decided to try the ***********. You know, and, and really believed that they were gonna get away with it. And, and you have to sort of wonder what kind of person would… would have the ***** to do something like that. And you can’t help but have some level of respect for what these guys managed to try and pull off.